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Post by defiance on Jun 27, 2009 15:37:52 GMT -8
Don Henley is a pimp for the Liberals. We must all thank God that Al Gore lost the election. AL GORE & ROCKERS: DON'T STOP (THINKING ABOUT THE WAR CHEST)
In news that will be of interest primarily to music lovers with deep pockets, Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore has quite a roster of performers at his fund-raisers. For while he may occasionally mutter the phrase "campaign finance reform," he's not above making money the old-fashioned way - charging astronomical prices for concert tickets.
The event shaping up to be the jewel in the Democratic Party's fund-raising crown is a September 14 concert at New York's Radio City Music Hall that reunites at least three Eagles. Don Henley, Glenn Frey, and Eagles bassist Timothy B. Schmit will perform together at the gig.
Rounding out the bill are Jimmy Buffett, Lenny Kravitz, Macy Gray, Sheryl Crow, Bette Midler, Jon Bon Jovi, and Crosby, Stills & Nash. We have a feeling this could be an expensive evening. Proceeds will go to the Democratic National Committee and help fund Gore's efforts to become president.
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Post by jlev on Jun 28, 2009 16:36:30 GMT -8
"Don Henley is a pimp for the Liberals. We must all thank God that Al Gore lost the election" Why, because the guy that beat him did such a great job?  Dude, be serious! And who are you a pimp for? |
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Post by kenb on Jul 2, 2009 8:39:06 GMT -8
I am an artist and have written some songs. I do understand the desire to be rewarded for efforts with some type or royalties for work someone may have done. The problem I have is the governing bodies, BMI ASCAP...etc are the ones who ultimately benefit from songwriter labors. In my experience they are akin to a terrorist organization. I wound up having to take my radio out of my car dealership back in the 90s to avoid paying ASCAP fees on a monthly basis.
(this was a case of a disgruntled ASCAP representative that did not receive the treatment he thought he deserved in a a car transaction. I told him to please leave my dealership, I would not do business with him because he was a prime asshole and told him so)
They took me to court for playing a radio on my showroom floor and not paying a monthly stipend. That's absolute bullshit, and they will never have rights to any of my works, I don't give a fuck if someone steals my songs. I know its never going to happen and they couldn't care less about me, but they one of the myriad reasons the recording industry is having problems, My opinion only!
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Post by defiance on Jul 2, 2009 15:37:55 GMT -8
"Don Henley is a pimp for the Liberals. We must all thank God that Al Gore lost the election" Why, because the guy that beat him did such a great job? Dude, be serious! And who are you a pimp for? It has nothing to do to with how great of a job the guy that beat him did. All the Liberals have shown is a smug attitude by implying that 'true artists' can't support anyone other than Democrats since their party is supposedly the one who cares about art. The point is that it isn't celebrities' place to be telling people which political candidate to vote for. The only person ever worth casting a ballot for in a presidential race, aside from the Father of this Country and perhaps Abraham Lincoln, has been Ralph Nader. However, that does not mean I am telling other people to vote for him. The voters need to learn for themselves that the most important issue is ending the Drug War. Since Democrats and Republicans are apparantly not willing to do that, Ralph Nader is really the only choice. With that said, we should also all thank the fine residents of California for summoning the courage and strength to recall Governor Gray Davis back in the special 2003 Gubernatorial Recall Election. The most important thing was to get him out of office before more damage could occur. |
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Post by coolsongz on Jul 2, 2009 16:55:50 GMT -8
Ok-- there for a moment I thought this was a political forum, then I let the doobie smoke clear and moved my Henley album out of the way and said "WHOA!!, it IS the Sac musicians forum after all! What is a pimp for the liberals? If Henley is the pimp, who are the whores? And how do you get that job? I've played for the Peace and Freedom party on several occasions, mainly because some of my friends invited me to join them in the gigs. Does that make me a liberal pimp too? I never really categorized myself but HEY if that's the case, IM IN DAMN GOOD COMPANY!! Thanks man.
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Post by wormdrive66 on Jul 2, 2009 23:23:27 GMT -8
Still waiting for the "Doobie Smoke" to Clear. ;D
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Post by kenb on Jul 3, 2009 8:27:21 GMT -8
"Don Henley is a pimp for the Liberals. We must all thank God that Al Gore lost the election" Why, because the guy that beat him did such a great job? Dude, be serious! And who are you a pimp for? It has nothing to do to with how great of a job the guy that beat him did. All the Liberals have shown is a smug attitude by implying that 'true artists' can't support anyone other than Democrats since their party is supposedly the one who cares about art. The point is that it isn't celebrities' place to be telling people which political candidate to vote for. The only person ever worth casting a ballot for in a presidential race, aside from the Father of this Country and perhaps Abraham Lincoln, has been Ralph Nader. However, that does not mean I am telling other people to vote for him. The voters need to learn for themselves that the most important issue is ending the Drug War. Since Democrats and Republicans are apparantly not willing to do that, Ralph Nader is really the only choice. With that said, we should also all thank the fine residents of California for summoning the courage and strength to recall Governor Gray Davis back in the special 2003 Gubernatorial Recall Election. The most important thing was to get him out of office before more damage could occur. Well, I think the smoke has cleared at least a bit. I find it odd that "liberal" is so often equated and interchanged with "Democrat." They are not the same things. Democrat indicates a member of a political party, a liberal is a philosophical identity. I know a lot of Democrats that are not so liberal. And I am very conservative, but consider myself an artist, I support all of the arts world when I can, I play music, I write music, believe every one should have all the same rights, but most of all I believe our government should keep me safe and build my roads. They have no business doing anything else, including restricting art or regulating it in any way. As far as Gore or Bush, I think either one would make a great fire extinguisher, if filled, or a vase if empty. But I think if an artist has a say so they should use it however they feel is good for them. I know I am doing it right here on this forum, and so are all of the others posting here. The best Part?? We can do that. |
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Post by defiance on Jul 3, 2009 9:09:28 GMT -8
Well, I think the smoke has cleared at least a bit. I find it odd that "liberal" is so often equated and interchanged with "Democrat." They are not the same things. Democrat indicates a member of a political party, a liberal is a philosophical identity. I know a lot of Democrats that are not so liberal. And I am very conservative, but consider myself an artist, I support all of the arts world when I can, I play music, I write music, believe every one should have all the same rights, but most of all I believe our government should keep me safe and build my roads. They have no business doing anything else, including restricting art or regulating it in any way. As far as Gore or Bush, I think either one would make a great fire extinguisher, if filled, or a vase if empty. But I think if an artist has a say so they should use it however they feel is good for them. I know I am doing it right here on this forum, and so are all of the others posting here. The best Part?? We can do that. An actual Liberal is someone who is a part of a group which goes beyond merely having liberal feelings. What has been done in the political arena is that Democrats have carried out a very serious nounification by turning a verb (liberal) into a noun ( Liberal ). The opposite of this is verbification, whereas a noun is turned into a verb; this is often seen in the assigning of a product name to the action it accomplishes. An example is someone saying they will 'Xerox' the form, or 'Photoshop' a picture. What Liberals seek to accomplish is the creation of a Music Union in an attempt to control the performance of all live and recorded music; the unionization of art. The ultimate goal is to be able to be the determining factor in whether music is promoted or it is subdued. To be able to have your music heard on any level you must first 'join' the Union since all music venues will only be permitted to hire Union musical artists and radio will only be allowed to play music that comes from those in the Union. Joining, however, is not as simple as they would lead you to think. You must first be able to book performances at three different Union venues in order to gain your vouchers which would allow you to then join the Union. This is where the 'Catch 22' comes into play. The clubs, concert halls, and bars must only hire Union artists, so how is a Non-Union artist supposed to meet the requirement? That is Liberal for you. |
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Post by jlev on Jul 3, 2009 10:54:56 GMT -8
I think it's big mouths on the radio that have nounified liberal. And as someone to the left of liberal, I am not sure where you get your information about a "union".
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Post by Dr. Blues on Jul 4, 2009 4:25:51 GMT -8
This is far too long. But there was so much to respond to...
This is truly one of the most ridiculous “music forums” I’ve seen. And to use Michael Jackson’s name as the vehicle to facilitate the discussion?! This has nothing to do with MJ. Let the man rest. He’s in his version of heaven, at the Children-Petting Zoo, pimping out the kids to the devil. Now, in response to the above rants…
Here is the reality of United States Copyright Law:
~ Works created after 1/1/1978 - life of the longest surviving author plus 70 years - earliest possible PD date is 1/1/2048
~ Works registered before 1/1/1978 - 95 years from the date copyright was secured.
~ Works registered before 1/1/1923 - Copyright protection for 75 years has expired and these works are in the public domain.
The Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act was signed into law on October 27, 1998. Prior to the Sonny Bono 20 year copyright term extension, copyright protection for works registered before 1/1/1978 was 75 years; therefore, compositions registered in 1922 or earlier entered the public domain on 1/1/1998. The 1998 copyright extension did not extend copyright protection from 75 to 95 years for songs already in the public domain so . . .
~ The Good News - works published in the United States in 1922 or earlier are in the public domain even if they are not yet 95 years old.
~ The Bad News - no new works will enter the public domain until January 1, 2019.
You can confirm the above information about public domain and copyright protection in "Extension of Copyright Terms", Circular 15t, of the U.S. Copyright Office. Specifically the last paragraph of Page 3 states in part "Works published before January 1, 1923, have fallen into the public domain."
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Moving on: “Liberals” v. “Conservatives”. Is that code talk for Socialism v. Ronald Reagan? Those labels are only good for idiots, the media, and talk show hosts (there is distinct overlap). Republicans, as a group, have given up fiscally conservative practices in favor of trying to legislate morality and catering to the rich. They are not conservative. Democrats are centrist. They have little to do with supporting liberal positions or groups.
Next, is there some reason to relive the 2000 election? According to my calendar we are 9 years and 2 presidential elections past that, and the last 8 non-Gore years were not pretty. This is not a current issue, except possibly on Fox non-News, in a Rush Limbaugh tirade, or when seen from Sarah Palin’s window. And to somehow link a) Al Gore holding concerts to raise funds; b) a “liberal” plot to corrupt the copyright laws; c) entertainers raising money for political candidates (that’s real new); and d) a “liberal” plot to form a musicians union. Been there, done that! Does the name James C. Petrillo ring a bell? – That discussion is like having 3 people sharing the same bad acid trip, thinking they are each having the same hallucination.
Then someone tosses out Ralph Nader ‘s name as some sort of viable and worthy political candidate. Have you ever read about him and his business practices? No, he doesn’t spend his life helping old ladies across the street. Somehow, this (supposedly) ascetic, down-home, down-to-earth candidate who takes little “salary”, makes big money with speaking engagements ($250m annual?), exhibits tendencies of paranoia and secrecy with his businesses, is in the pocket of the trial lawyers association – and has 6 of the highest paid in the country on his staff, is a multimillionaire who refuses to reveal financial records, and is a union buster (in his own companies). He’s like Ross Perot in a wrinkled green suit, driving a Plymouth Valiant.
Final item. No arguing with this bit of sanity. We were so lucky that Grey Davis was recalled. If the political right hadn’t launched a groundless vendetta and been able to replace him with Arnold, California would have gotten in to a really bad financial situation. He never admitted it, and there was no proof, but Davis was going to try to force the legislators to spend foolishly and not agree on a budget - bankrupting the State. Imagine what it would be like if that had happened?! Glad the people who forced him out and smeared his name had a better (looking) candidate and a great outcome for everyone – not to mention the millions of tax-payer dollars spent on the recall election. Good job guys!
Quoting Sam Kinison once again: "Idiots used to come One-to-a-village." No more!
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Post by jlev on Jul 4, 2009 14:26:11 GMT -8
Well put Dr. Blues!
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Post by jtm on Jul 6, 2009 20:08:26 GMT -8
The reason I posted the original message, was to start a diolag about artist's rights. I had no political agenda. I think that artist's rights should be put above political frivolity. Any and all artist's rights should be protected. Let's talk about artist,s rights and how the machine in place should be changed to protect your rights as an artist. Who realy cares about your own political views. By the way (Don Henley) is in fact a Republican. With that being said let's get to how you feel about artist,s rights. J.T.M.
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Post by kenb on Jul 7, 2009 12:47:44 GMT -8
Jtm, Wondering how you are going to protect an artist's rights without at least thinking about politics? Because the politicians are the ones that are called Lawmakers. Without some law, you could blatantly steal my song, record it, and if you made any money, you would make money from my work.
Any discussion of rights, laws, or the machine, just has to have a political bent to it. Because the politics is the Machine.
And I think Don Henley is actually a Libertarian unless he changed parties in the last 10 years
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Post by jtm on Jul 7, 2009 22:01:19 GMT -8
Kenb you may be right about Donb Henley? I think the laws are in place to protect you as a writer. The question is are they being inforced properly. As an a.s.c.a.p. member, I have experienced a positive situation with them. Whith that being saide I feel they should stay out of the clubs where entortainers ply there trade. They pretty much have shut down the local club gigs along with M.A.D.D. and the city licensing requirements. I am all for live music, but I see a slow death comeing our way.The dynamics of the local club problems are many and costly. maybe the A.F.O.M. of wich I am a member would do well to help with the political side of the buissnes. I was just kidding there they are as useless as tits on a borehog. I feel every ones paine and respect those who carry on. jtm.
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Dude, be serious!
