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Post by wormdrive66 on Jul 3, 2009 13:54:10 GMT -8
Taken from Craigslist "1st Annual Auburn Brewfest, put on by Auburn 20/30 club needs a band to play the coveted 12-2 slot. We are unable to pay, but we can offer other arrangements. Need your own PA system 70-80-90 and today's music, rock, contemporary top 40 etc. No metal/tribute acts please This is for charity and we need a band that is looking for exposure, we estimate anywhere between 1500 and 3000 people to show up to this event. July 18th Auburn Fairgrounds Need to be on stage at 12, get to the fairgrounds at 1030 for setup/sound check. Get on stage and play, then stay for the festivities. go to www.auburnbrewfest.com for more information on what's going on. "
Are fucking kidding me!!! $30.00 bucks a head and you cant afford a band? They need to change the name of the Musicians forum to Vultures/ Musicians |
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Post by nickyn99 on Jul 3, 2009 14:57:50 GMT -8
Taken from Craigslist "1st Annual Auburn Brewfest, put on by Auburn 20/30 club needs a band to play the coveted 12-2 slot. We are unable to pay, but we can offer other arrangements. Need your own PA system 70-80-90 and today's music, rock, contemporary top 40 etc. No metal/tribute acts please This is for charity and we need a band that is looking for exposure, we estimate anywhere between 1500 and 3000 people to show up to this event. July 18th Auburn Fairgrounds Need to be on stage at 12, get to the fairgrounds at 1030 for setup/sound check. Get on stage and play, then stay for the festivities. go to www.auburnbrewfest.com for more information on what's going on. "
Are fucking kidding me!!! $30.00 bucks a head and you cant afford a band? They need to change the name of the Musicians forum to Vultures/ Musicians Any band worth listening to that falls for this gets what they get. Just another way of getting a band for free - Hopefully nobody will fall for it but.... Out of the 1500 to 3000 people that show up which I think is BS also, MAYBE 200 out of the bunch will actually stay and listen. |
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Post by kennans on Jul 3, 2009 16:04:35 GMT -8
That's awesome!
I'll take it! I'll bring a giant P.A., and everyone can use it. Heck, I'll come a six A.M. to start setting it up. I've got a giant mailing list too, so I'll take care of all the promo work. One thing; which charity benefits from this Auburn First Annual Brewfest? Not that it matters; just curious.
I'll stick around at the end of the day and clean up the fair grounds after I've loaded my truck load of gear.
I can't wait!
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Post by nickyn99 on Jul 3, 2009 20:00:16 GMT -8
Count me in - haha  |
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Post by tj on Jul 3, 2009 20:03:06 GMT -8
The thing is.....somebody will do this and think they are living large because they are on stage. More of the societal drift towards "celebrity". Check out what people will do to get on tv or whatever...same goes here.
And then there is the club, venue, etc. They do this to be cheap...and they get "cheap" product.....and the people that go there don't like what they hear so don't come back....so the club owner thinks it must be that people don't support music so they might as well go cheap.
Why in my day....oh, wait.. ;D...I am getting dizzy up here on this soap box....I better get down now.
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Post by questor on Jul 10, 2009 18:27:26 GMT -8
Once again local Sacramento Musicians will fuck their comrades at arms just to let those asswholes use them. It is indeed an out rage wormdrive66. when are the so called musicians going to wake up. it's like they have no respect for players and the players have no respect for themselves. Though it's one of my personal favorite keys, I've learned to no longer call songs in A-flat. In this case, I'll make an exception. It says, "Screw you, screw me. Screw us together, naturally!" |
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Post by wormdrive66 on Jul 11, 2009 16:32:37 GMT -8
Heres another douche bag looking for hand outs. You pay your waiters right? you pay your cooks right? THEN PAY THE FUCKING BAND ASSHOLE.
"Looking for musicians for friday & saturday nights. Looking for upbeat, lively music. Latin, Jazz, Funk, Guitar, is an idea of what we are looking for. We are a newer restaurant serving Tapas & Wine. Can check out our website...jimesclub141.com
Need live music from 9pm-12am on Friday and Saturday nights. Playing for tips only.
If you are interested, please relpy with your info, and style of music. We will be setting up auditions. Thank you"
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Post by defiance on Jul 12, 2009 17:13:23 GMT -8
Heres another douche bag looking for hand outs. You pay your waiters right? you pay your cooks right? THEN PAY THE FUCKING BAND ASSHOLE. "Looking for musicians for friday & saturday nights. Looking for upbeat, lively music. Latin, Jazz, Funk, Guitar, is an idea of what we are looking for. We are a newer restaurant serving Tapas & Wine. Can check out our website... jimesclub141.comNeed live music from 9pm-12am on Friday and Saturday nights. Playing for tips only. If you are interested, please relpy with your info, and style of music. We will be setting up auditions. Thank you" Not to be sticking up for this restaurant in Grass Valley, but it is entirely different than the ad placed by the Auburn Brewfest in which an entire band (with their own P.A.) was specifically requested. No one can tell others what to do; they must learn on their own. Lead by example by stating that you will not offer 'slave' labor and perhaps people will stop giving it away for nothing. It is not any of our business if someone wants to play for free. Thank God there is no Liberal Music Union forcing these clubs and bars to only hire only 'Union' talent at a specified wage. The type of musical artist that would be attracted to this call for no-charge services in Grass Valley is someone whom probably plays acoustic on the street corner for free anyways. It sounds like the restaurant is offering a safe place to play for the person that would normally be just outside. Look at it this way, you could show up drunk and not have to worry about being fired! The bottom line is that those playing for free are not hurting anyone else, nothing is being taken from you. |
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Post by kenb on Jul 13, 2009 7:24:24 GMT -8
Heres another douche bag looking for hand outs. You pay your waiters right? you pay your cooks right? THEN PAY THE FUCKING BAND ASSHOLE. "Looking for musicians for friday & saturday nights. Looking for upbeat, lively music. Latin, Jazz, Funk, Guitar, is an idea of what we are looking for. We are a newer restaurant serving Tapas & Wine. Can check out our website... jimesclub141.comNeed live music from 9pm-12am on Friday and Saturday nights. Playing for tips only. If you are interested, please relpy with your info, and style of music. We will be setting up auditions. Thank you" From a different perspective, let me say this. I used to play with a very incredible performer. He was very adept at hawking tips, and in the right place, especially nice cafe's or dinner houses that do good business, he was usually able to make more in tips in an evening than most bands make in several gigs. I used to play in a 3 piece bluegrass band, and we played may times for tips, and I would bring home $100 or more for a few hours playing. We played at a restaurant in Potter Valley, popultaion 200, one night and I made $126 in a little over 2 hours. We wouldn't have even had a gig had we demanded pay. Don't assume that because you aren't getting paid by the venue that it can't be a money making venture. There are places where waiters and waitresses pay the restaurant to work at their establishment because they can make so much in tips. But you have to be geared for it If you don't want to play for free, I think that's admirable that you have standards, but don't foist your standards on the rest of us |
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Post by wormdrive66 on Jul 13, 2009 7:57:03 GMT -8
Well if you want to beg for tips at a restaurant go right ahead.
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Post by bassplayer4life on Jul 22, 2009 13:57:29 GMT -8
Appearently some ppl see playing for tips or for free is a disgrace somehow. Maybe if you were a full time muscian and playing is your soul source of income, youd opt not to play at a place like that, but if you play for the love of playing or as a side job, who cares.
Just a side note of sorts, take AC/DC for example. Played in Russia right after the wall came down. Played a show (for those of you who dont like using "show", bitch here) for almost 1,000,000 people, for FREE.
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Post by tug on Oct 6, 2009 7:01:37 GMT -8
whats worse is when the band makes money but wont pay the players,twr ripped me off last summer after playing numerous free gigs, we finally got some decent gigs that paid ok and thats when i got the boot, i wanted at least to cover some gas expenses, but that was too negative of vibe. i invested time and money into twr and got rat f---ked,
its not just the clubs is all im sayin here
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Post by kenb on Oct 10, 2009 16:07:07 GMT -8
I was re-reading this thread and it occurs to me there is a huge difference between being an artist and being an entertainer. An entertainer does his or her stuff to make money, (or chattel, whatever), and artist, by definition, does his art solely for themselves and may hope to have some one purchase his art, although exchange is not necessary for real artists. If you are a true artist as it seems wormdrive is, then I say, hell yes, never play your art unless you are compensated, and allow your art to define you. If you are an entertainer, then be a salesman and make the money that artists willfully disdain as begging. I think I'll be a salesman, that way I get to play every day, and guess what, I get to go to the bank in the morning.
But wormdrive don't presume to know me or my talent, and rest assured, I always make money somehow, some way, and I stay busy everyday, and I would never, ever tell someone I want to make a $100 dollars for a gig. I want to make $10,000, and our difference is I will find a way to do that, while you play for scale once a month
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Post by kennans on Oct 11, 2009 18:31:14 GMT -8
In all honesty, I think we all use our own labels and definitions to justify how we approach the playing of music.
Am I less of an Artist because I want to get paid?
If so, then how fine is the line between "Artist" and "Hobbyist"?
It's all a big tent, and the things people complain about today are just variations on some very old themes.
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Post by kenb on Oct 11, 2009 19:16:15 GMT -8
Well, I play bluegrass quite a bit and I don't care about paying tribute to anyone. I write my own music, I play it for fun, but I get paid enough that I consider it a profession for me. What i'm saying is the art is the art, getting paid is the business, and it doesn't matter to me if the venue doesn't pay me if I can make the money I need to otherwise. If it is a club/bar I probably need to get paid because bar patrons rarely tip the band and you can only sell so many c/ds to the same crowd.
And yes the music came form before, but way before the rock stars and blues folks. Listen to Brahms, or Beethoven, or the early Celtic music, early Arab music, or maybe even ancient African tunes. That, arguably, is the root of modern music
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