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Post by jimc on May 18, 2009 11:30:43 GMT -8
I see it's Ricks turn to get beat up on CL.
I just hope it's not somebody I know that's posting this chickenshit. I'd like to think that everybody I know in jam land is above this anonymous BS.
Whoever it is knows a lot of names and is obviously familiar with Sac Blues Review.
If I do find out it's someone I know then I don't want to know them any longer. This kind of petty, back stabbing, jealousy driven crap should never be part of the local scene.
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Post by jlev on May 18, 2009 11:45:23 GMT -8
Hey Jim, I couldn't find the post in question. But it's getting tiresome isn't it?
Just one or two bad apples in what is a very positive scene, still it's a major bringdown.
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Post by jimc on May 18, 2009 11:55:48 GMT -8
Just realized after my anonymous rant that not everybody would know me here!
This is Jim Cobb, bassist with the Jeff Watson band. ;D
And here's the CL posting in question............
"RE: Sac blues revue
You have to remind everyone that your band won the sammie last year. That was clearly a sympathy vote in memory of Zaidee Cole. This year you have done nothing to deserve a win. You surround yourself with talented musicians because you have none. Playing rhythm and hiding in the corner. You couldnt solo your way into a blues jam if your life depended on it. By next year Murry will grow tired of your bullshit just like Brenda and Marina. Soon you will have no more clubs to take over for your Sunday side show. Lets see you get a real gig at a club as a headliner. Pathetic little talentless fool."
We are all sick of hearing about your 'token' sammie. It's not like it's a blues award from the BMA's or something. As a matter of fact the only reason you're in it is because 1) you nominated yourself
2) they lumped blues and jazz together because the sammies is really for more modern popular music and they can't get people that even want to compete..
3) there is no competition
Your band should wise up and dump your nasty bitter self. You don't let any of them have front and center anyway. Your best people have already dropped out when they got tired of your rude self...it's only a matter of time before you lose the rest...
the rest of them should wise up and figure out why they can't get past Sacramento..
and don't tell me how you're going to play at the Jazz Jubilee as if it's a big honor..Sac Blues Society whored out our own people for free to the Jazz Jubilee last year and I doubt you're getting paid much this year or at all ! For $110 tickets, and since they have more then 2000 volunteers they should 1)pay our local bands...2) Sac Blues Soc and our local bands should stop bringing down the industry by playing for little or no pay. 3) You should stand up for your people ..but no..you sacrafice them for your own glory..such as it is..whoppieeeee, I made it big in cowtown..the most pitiful blues scene on the West Coast.
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Post by jlev on May 18, 2009 12:28:11 GMT -8
That's pretty ugly, I wonder if its the same guy that hates Steve Foster?
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Post by jlev on May 18, 2009 12:40:24 GMT -8
Same dude reposted and said this: You people that say you support and love the blues should wake up! Boycott bands (and VENUES that ask you to play for free or measly pay!) that play for free or low pay...isn't that group 'MO-CO' that has been advertising on here supposed to be helping WORKING musicians? Go talk to them and see if they can get together to boycott events like the Jazz Jubilee that has our musicians play for free last year..(laugh unlimited is a great name for the Venue/stage..it says it all..our local blues scene is a laugh!)..I bet they are playing for free or a token amount with a promise to get exposure? Am I right..and you bands that played last year . HOW MANY GIGS have you gotten for your free exposure?
And our local blues Societies..why put your name on this event, why not advocate for our bands to make money?? Shame on the bands too, you are hurting the whole industry by palying for free. Even if you aren't that great of a band you still take up a spot for some working band. People tend to overlook at your medicore playing if you are playing for free!..You all bring down the industry. I don't see any of you making a living at being a musicican and yet you complain about low pay BUT you are part of the problem..
big deal..sammies and playing for the Jazz Jubilee...how has that worked out for any of you over the past year?? I played the Laughs Unlimited venue last year and I have no problem with the compensation, actually it was worth more than the standard Jubilee pay for the two shifts I played. |
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Post by jlev on May 18, 2009 12:44:56 GMT -8
My question for our angry little poster: HOW MANY GIGS have YOU gotten with that suckass attitude?
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Post by coolsongz on May 18, 2009 22:43:12 GMT -8
Ok you've inspired one from me, so here it is. Similar arrangement as "I'm a woman" Peggy Lee, or "I'm a man" Muddy Waters and a thousand other great songs that I can't think of at this moment. Just something silly to play with, or add to. Tam  Angry Little Poster Blues A wayward musician (e) (a) (g) (a) with nothing to do _ _____ __ _ Is lurking on craiglist _ _____ __ _ and living the blues_ _____ __ _ But he’s got no affection _ _____ __ _ for people who jam _ _____ __ _ He’s just got a connection _ _____ __ _ He’s an internet ham _ _____ __ _ Well it’s clear the only au-di-ence he gets to have at all, Is the devil on his shoulder and the fungus on his balls -------- Is he getting the clues? Sit down write you some blues Take em out to a jam Then keep up if you can Well he’s probably bitchy _ _____ __ _ Or he’s possibly bored _ _____ __ _ Could it be that he’s itchy ?_ _____ __ _from a skank that he scored? _ _____ __ _ Maybe he’s a creation _ _____ __ _ of wisdom and thought_ _____ __ _ Bringing forth inspiration _ _____ __ _ Naah… probably not _ _____ __ _ Is he really so enlightened as to educate us all? Does he need to be so frightened, of the writing on the wall?---------- Is he getting the clues? Sit down write you some blues Take em out to a jam Then keep up if you can May 18, 2009 |
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Post by rand on May 19, 2009 7:44:48 GMT -8
Yeah Jim and Joe .It's definately gotta be someone we know cause there's a kind of inside the circle knowledge of the jams, blues societies, and musicians involved .It is getting old and I wish I knew who it was so I can get tickets to their sold- out show and learn from them. What does it take to get on this jerks list of hate-postings? Could it be sucess, popularity, real talent. Who's next .Hope it's me. I don't want to feel left out. L.O.L.
Randy Carey
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Post by jimc on May 19, 2009 11:35:25 GMT -8
I'm hopeful it's someone I don't know or at least don't know well as I think it's the same dope that thought Joe was a limey when he was dissing the San Juan jam! If that's the case he's not that well connected to us.
Have you heard that Jeff Watson guy? Jeez he's loud!
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Post by rand on May 19, 2009 15:52:26 GMT -8
Hey Jim- I remember that one. It would be nice if the jerk would sign its' name but that will probably kill his jollies. God, save the Queen. And I ain't talkin bout that faggot, cowardly, asshat that smacks all of the people and the music scene that he has no knowledge of .Maybe dissapointed cause we don't cover any Village people, bee Gees or Boy george tunes. Jeff Watson. You mean the guy from Night Ranger? Only kidding. Jeff is great. Loud and proud indeed; and with you and the rest of the guys; you've got a kick-ass band and my continued support. Rock on
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Post by sparkygirl on May 21, 2009 21:10:49 GMT -8
Perhaps the poster feels the need to measure himself against others. Whip it out baby. I'm thinking he can't find it without tweezers.
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Post by Dr. Blues on May 23, 2009 18:37:56 GMT -8
Reading the criticism of Rick is almost sad. I'm not sure if his crime is keeping a band together so (his) musicians make some money and have venues at which to play, hosting jams so other musicians can hone their skills while audience members listen to music for free, or providing recognition of the musicians who were in on winning the sammie.
As to "...playing for free or a token amount with a promise to get exposure," it's an unfortunate truth about live music. For what the Jazz Fest takes in, they should pay out to local bands the same as to imports. But blues musicians historically build much bigger resumes than bank accounts. That's not a new fact. So, you take chances. If you want gigs and want to make a little money you need advertising, and my guess is that the Sac Jazz Fest put your name on a lot more posters in a lot more places than playing at Joe's Pub & Chips Shack. And hopefully, that ultimately gets you better paying gigs. If your life goal is to be rich and famous, you don't start by planning to be a blues musician.
About the quote, "...Playing rhythm and hiding in the corner. You couldn't solo your way into a blues jam if your life depended on it." First, don't slight rhythm guitarists. If the critic had any real knowledge of blues, s/he would realize the history of the unsung, understated heroes of the blues who, as rhythm guitarists, provided the elegant underpinnings for recordings by Jimmy Reed and Chuck Berry (Eddie Taylor); Little Walter and Sonny Boy Williamson (Mr. Robert Lockwood Jr and Luther Tucker); Howlin' Wolf (Jody Williams and Pat Hare); and Muddy Waters (Luther Johnson, Sammy Lawhorn). All those guitarists, like Rick, were capable soloists, but they were being paid to support the work of other performers. Last Sunday, having not seen this post, I complimented Rick on a very tasty yet understated solo he took on the last song of the set. He didn't have to play it like Stevie Ray Vaughn, Eric Clapton or Johnny Winter, because it's not "The Rick Van Gilder Show," it's the Sacramento Blues Review, and Rick is impresario and member, not the ego. Maybe the critic doesn't think Rick can solo because he's an ensemble player who relies on timing, tastefulness and an array of chords rather than an over-inflated sense of self, ear-splitting volume and an array of pedals. Rick gets bookings, keeps a band together, presents and backs the performers. Why do I get the sense that those attributes are not within the skill set of the critic?
The critic can't sign their name because next time they come in for free, they might be banished to New York, rather than given the chance to go on stage. One thing's for sure. They won't be critiquing Rick at the Jazz Fest...because they'd have to pay to get in.
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Post by jlev on May 24, 2009 1:13:51 GMT -8
As to "...playing for free or a token amount with a promise to get exposure," it's an unfortunate truth about live music. For what the Jazz Fest takes in, they should pay out to local bands the same as to imports. But blues musicians historically build much bigger resumes than bank accounts. That's not a new fact. So, you take chances. If you want gigs and want to make a little money you need advertising, and my guess is that the Sac Jazz Fest put your name on a lot more posters in a lot more places than playing at Joe's Pub & Chips Shack. And hopefully, that ultimately gets you better paying gigs. If your life goal is to be rich and famous, you don't start by planning to be a blues musician. The critic can't sign their name because next time they come in for free, they might be banished to New York, rather than given the chance to go on stage. One thing's for sure. They won't be critiquing Rick at the Jazz Fest...because they'd have to pay to get in. Actually all the bands get paid the same, with the possible exception of a few "big" names. The bands are paid on a per musician per set basis. |
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Post by jimc on May 24, 2009 10:04:45 GMT -8
Heading off topic but so what!
I heard that the Jazz fest has about 2000 volunteers. This year is the first year that they have required the volunteers to pay towards their entry, not the full amount admittedly. Entry charge is up as well. And I believe musicians get $45 per set. Somebody's making some money but it sure ain't the musicians!
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Post by rand on May 24, 2009 11:03:54 GMT -8
Hey Jim- My wife, daughter, and I are volunteers at the jazz fest ( Firehouse Courtyard and golden eagle Room) this is our 4th year as volunteers. The only thing that has changed is that this year we were not provided with official jazz jubilee shirts ( 2009) to wear during our shift. So we wore one from a previous year. Everything else was the same. We get 15 dollars in tickets to spend for food and drinks @ the Firehouse Lot for the course of 3 days. The only out of pocket expense is paying for parking and of course if we use all of our tickets; to buy more. It's really hard work to be a volunteer at the jazz jubilee and it seems that out of the 2000 volunteers that are present; not all of them pull their weight and it eventually makes it harder on those who sincerely try to make this event a sucess. One of my favorite rewards though, is to see and hear my friends (all you Blues Guys, You know who you are!) that I've had the honor of playing with and/ or sharing the stage with around the Sac area. For what ever reasons I'm glad Sacramento has events like the jazz jubilee, Nor-Cal blues fest , etc. that brings music lovers from near and far to hear some quality music in our city As far as Rick Van G. You keep doing what you're doing . You guys are doing great . We saw you at the Jazz fest and it was good
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